Identity Library

Veronika Becher 0:02
Hey everyone, welcome to another episode of Identity Library. My name is Veronika Becher, and today I'm with Loridana Foksha.

Loridana Foksha 0:09
Hello.

Veronika Becher 0:10
Thank you so much for being on my podcast.

Loridana Foksha 0:13
Thank you for having me so excited to be here.

Veronika Becher 0:15
Yeah, today the topic is being in your 20s and finding your own identity. And yeah, while being in your 20s, it's a topic that has nothing to do with international relationships, but I felt like it's something that people sometimes forget to talk about, or sometimes talk too much about. Honestly, goes both ways, but since we are both, you just entered your 20s, and I'm kind of going through them just like a first question maybe of the day. Give me a fun fact about you so,

Loridana Foksha 0:53
I can hold my eyes open for a really long time. My record was eight minutes. I was also wearing contacts, so I was kind of cheating.

Veronika Becher 1:02
Okay, this is crazy.

Loridana Foksha 1:04
You said, fun fact, the very big part of my identity.

Veronika Becher 1:10
So if anyone is questioning their ability to be in their 20s, well, it's okay someone is trying to hold their eyes open for eight minutes. Never again-

Loridana Foksha 1:20
Not going to close my eyes the entire episode.

Veronika Becher 1:23
Okay, no, no. So my question is, um, why? Okay, first of all, how do you feel being in your 20s in general, like entering now a new chapter of your life?

Loridana Foksha 1:39
Um, I feel really good, honestly.

Veronika Becher 1:42
Ooh.

Loridana Foksha 1:42
Yeah, which is like, not a lot. I think my birthday was kind of freaking out almost. But a lot of changes have happened since my birthday, which was only like a few months ago, right? I feel really good, especially where I'm going to go now, or where I be, or I think when this episode comes out, where I am at the moment, I'm excited, because I have plans, and I am also very open to any opportunity that comes by.

Veronika Becher 2:25
How do you feel about the fact that you don't know what you want to do with your career that is so such a struggle. How do you find like, how do you find your own identity in being a 20 year old or 21 year old, girl, young woman, young lady.

Loridana Foksha 2:47
I think when I was younger, I to this day, I think I feel 17, or I feel more- I feel like a child still, especially compared to other people. I think one thing about this age is you compare yourself to people a lot. It's something I've kind of tried to stop doing, because I understand that everyone is on their own course. I remember when I was younger and going and when I was teens, I felt like a child still, because I wasn't, I didn't have as enough, like a lot of the responsibilities or experiences other people has had, I think, going into my 20s, where I now have the ability and the freedom to I- I find myself rushing it, almost living by myself, you know, going to Spain and, you know, etc. So I think-

Veronika Becher 3:46
You just feel like, you you have to do so many things because-

Loridana Foksha 3:49
Yeah

Veronika Becher 3:49
twenties like, there's a pressure on your shoulder.

Loridana Foksha 3:51
Yeah, you see all these people, like, the Olympics just happened, or they're happening right now. And there's like, 14 year olds and 16 year olds doing the Olympics. And I'm like, What am I doing? I know this one person who he's like a model from my high school, and he's like, he went to Vogue Thailand. And I'm like, What the heck like? What am I doing? You know? But I think about, oh, I am doing things. I'm in college, I'm going studying abroad, I'm doing things, and I'm on my own path, so I think I'm being very gentle with myself, which is, I think it's important for everybody else, for everybody to do, but also cautious, like, you know, this is my path. This is the steps that I'm taking, which is different than everybody else. And, you know, I'm a different person, everybody else. And I'm allowed to kind of take the steps that I need, which can be different for everybody else, everybody else, everybody else. I keep saying that word,

Veronika Becher 4:53
How do you feel about you know, I feel like, especially having so many different hobbies in your 20s, and realizing you don't really have the time, but then seeing people like married kids, you enter these like unknown 20s, where people just are ahead of you. Others are not even figuring out their life. Sometimes you meet someone, you're like, oh, maybe I should date this person. And then this person feels like they are 15, and others feel like they already lived off their life, and they have so much, like, so many experiences on their shoulders, and it's just a completely different person that you're like, standing across of, yeah, and how do you normalize of being just normal?

Loridana Foksha 5:35
Whoa, that's a crazy question. How do you normalize being normal?

Veronika Becher 5:44
like being someone who just normally, like, doesn't do such a crazy things.

Loridana Foksha 5:49
Yeah

Veronika Becher 5:49
so many hobbies.

Loridana Foksha 5:51
I also think that.

Veronika Becher 5:52
Yeah

Loridana Foksha 5:52
I'm not normal, in a sense, because I'm going to Spain for two years, and that's not like a very direct path, compared to, like any other student here in America specifically, I think for the maybe I can date myself back, like for the past two years. I mean, even so, because you keep- you mentioned, like, I do have a lot of hobbies, I do find myself having a lot of things. And one thing you touched on is time. I feel like, in my 20s, I don't have enough time to do anything anymore, and I see all these people doing so many crazy things with their life, and I'm like, I need to sleep a normal amount of time. And like, make myself food three times a day.

Veronika Becher 6:43
Oh my gosh.

Loridana Foksha 6:44
And I feel like adulting a lot of it is like a lot of time is taken away from you just because you need to function and you need to exist and live.

Veronika Becher 6:56
But, but then also to, like, kind of, you know, follow up. I feel like sometimes the life takes you into a direction that you don't want to walk to.

Loridana Foksha 7:07
Yeah, yes yes.

Veronika Becher 7:09
And I feel like you're you don't have the control of actually controlling your whole life, in your own life, and the routine that you have daily, through exams, through work, through whatever this family matters. You don't really find enough time for yourself. You don't feel like you can actually control and decide what you want to do if you want to read a book or draw you need to set-

Loridana Foksha 7:31
and the time that you do have, you feel like is so short that you don't have enough time to do to like, complete a project, or to complete doing something, because I would recognize, like, I'd be at home for two hours, like I have nothing to do, and so I bed rot, because I know that I'm I need to do something else, which is, might also be ADHD, which is, we can also talk about as a very big part of my identity is my ADHD or ADD whatever. Yeah, yeah. But with time, I feel like I see all these people and they at this age, like I know some people who are starting families at my age, and it's freaking me out, because I'm like, I myself still feel like a child. How are you? How are you able to grow when you already identify yourself as a mother, as like a- and I really, truly respect people who want that life for them, that family life, and I think that's like a good goal to have, um, especially in a society where sometimes it's frowned upon, I think it's very- I think it's a good goal to have, but at this age for myself, like I try to envision myself having kids at this age when, like most people are having, not most, but like some people I know are having kids, or, like, having families. And I'm like, how are they doing this?

Veronika Becher 9:04
And can they- yeah,

Loridana Foksha 9:06
How do they have the time, yeah.

Veronika Becher 9:08
to have, like, a life? Do you think in your 20s, kind of, like doing in different direction, you have to have aspirations? It's something we talked about.

Loridana Foksha 9:18
Yeah.

Veronika Becher 9:18
literally, these past weeks. And I was like, well, sometimes I meet people and they have no aspirations, no goals in life, like the opposite of having too many goals.

Loridana Foksha 9:28
Oh my gosh. yeah

Veronika Becher 9:29
feeling that you don't want to be normal, or you want to be normal, but you have so many things you want to accomplish. You're doing so many things because you're trying to keep up. But also maybe you just want a lot of things in life, and you feel like your 20s, kind of like strangle you with a certain direction where you have to go.

Loridana Foksha 9:45
And then there's some people who are kind of floating.

Veronika Becher 9:48
Yeah, completely opposite, passively.

Loridana Foksha 9:51
Passively, yeah. And that is kind of astonishing to me, because. You know, I grew up wanting, like, a very, like, a life with so much in it. And then there's people who are like, I don't really care where I'm going. I'll just get a job and, like, make sure, you know, I'm feeding myself, putting a roof over my head, which, like, I understand, like, for a lot of people, like, for my mom, example, that was that she was constantly on survival mode. That's what a lot of people are doing right now. And I'm very privileged and grateful that, like I was able to grow up and, you know, have dreams and aspirations of my own. And but for some people, they're privileged enough, and they have enough, I guess they have the room in their life to have those aspirations, and they don't, and it's kind of like what you don't have the sudden urge to go out and explore and to meet new people and to travel and to do every single school-nlike I have- I have a list on my phone of skills that I want to do in my life. They range from snowboarding to cooking to-

Veronika Becher 11:07
to meet random grandmas in Spain and talk about

Loridana Foksha 11:10
very big tradition.

Veronika Becher 11:12
Oh my gosh,

Loridana Foksha 11:12
To I mean, not a skill, but like, at one point go to jail, isn't there?

Veronika Becher 11:17
Okay, no, we should not say that a lot on a podcast. This is, don't worry, she's not trying to, like.

Loridana Foksha 11:26
I mean, I want, I'm not gonna do anything illegal, no, um,

Veronika Becher 11:29
Oh my gosh. This is, which is, so-

Loridana Foksha 11:31
it's just a crazy thought, but I want to have so many skills under my belt, and I want to be able to do an experience, but, like, skills, things, let's read them. Let's we can go through them.

Veronika Becher 11:44
It just reminds me of these vision board nights that we decided to do, because I was like, I really want to give it a try. And two artistic people, three artistic people, actually, including Max, came together, and we were all like, creating vision boards and just ready area and just writing down things that we wanted to accomplish in our life. And it's so astonishing to me how different people approach these things. Like Max just had a whole, like, list of things, like a whole plan. It's like written out, like, step by step by step.

Loridana Foksha 12:19
And for me, I'm like, I want to do this at one point in my life. I don't really know when, but at one point in my life, I'm going to do it.

Veronika Becher 12:25
Yeah. Do you think one of the other is better? It reminds me, like,

Loridana Foksha 12:29
No

Veronika Becher 12:29
Yeah.

Loridana Foksha 12:30
think it just depends on the person. And for someone like Max, who wants to be a doctor, I feel like you have to plan that out. You know, in order to have a certain aspiration that is such a big goal, to break it down, planned out and break broken down. But the same time, I also feel like life can just throw you for a loophole whenever it wants to. And

Veronika Becher 12:56
You need to be prepared.

Loridana Foksha 12:57
to be prepared or not prepared, but you need to, when it comes you need to be a little bit more okay with it, with, you know, maybe at some points, I need to go with the flow, because this sudden choice just sprung up in my life, and I need to figure out, you know, do I want to do this or don't want to do that? Or your values or beliefs can change, or you can just change as a person altogether. Like in high school, I thought I was going to do biomedical engineering, and here I am going to Spain for Business Administration.

Veronika Becher 13:29
Yeah, like, it's, it's different. It's like, um, it reminds me of when people look for a relationship partner, and they like, by 25 I want to have three kids, and by 22 I'm gonna be already married.

Loridana Foksha 13:42
Yeah

Veronika Becher 13:42
And then I have a house when I'm 30 and so on.

Loridana Foksha 13:45
Like, you don't know that for certain.

Veronika Becher 13:46
and then they realize they're, like, 25 and, like, initially I wanted to have ready partner, but I don't really have the person. And the person that you need comes in into your life much later in life, yeah. Or also, like, you know, the thing I always tell you, you know, if there's no door in front of you, take the window, and maybe you will enjoy jumping out of the window than actually taking a window, taking the door.

Loridana Foksha 14:09
Yeah, I think what's important for people is you can plan the things that you need to control and what you can't control. You need to understand. It's like a go with the flow situation in the moment in the spur of the moment something that you have to like make that choice right then and there, or a choice just sprung up on you that you thought you would never have to make it that specific, specific decision. And I think it's important to plan your future, but also be okay with things changing.

Veronika Becher 14:42
I have another question. While you look for your list-

Loridana Foksha 14:45
Wait, when do I say my list?

Veronika Becher 14:46
Well, you can give me, like a your top five.

Loridana Foksha 14:50
My top five?I have some-

Veronika Becher 14:52
Well, like you, top five new ones

Loridana Foksha 14:53
by the way.

Veronika Becher 14:54
Okay, what -

Loridana Foksha 14:54
I want to go to? My new ones? I want to go to the Olympics.

Veronika Becher 14:56
Oh my gosh.

Loridana Foksha 14:58
I think I can manage with breakdancing. I think I want to learn. Well, I need to add break dancing.

Veronika Becher 15:05
This is when you have really random,

Loridana Foksha 15:07
well, dance is on there, but like, break dancing is very specific. Maybe that's like a subsection of dance.

Veronika Becher 15:11
yeah.

Loridana Foksha 15:11
Because I have dance, pottery painting, and languages, and I feel like I need a subsection for that, we can just say them all, cook, okay, cook and chef are on there. Okay, different things. One, cook with grandma's chef and restaurant, cook, Barton, barista, surf, cut men's hair, wine, martial arts, painting, pottery, dance, Chef. Languages, skinny-

Veronika Becher 15:35
Skinny dipping goes great.

Loridana Foksha 15:37
Snowboard, skateboard, tattoo, math, Olympics, break dancing.

Veronika Becher 15:40
This is fantastic.

Loridana Foksha 15:43
I just keep on adding

Veronika Becher 15:44
I have, well.

Loridana Foksha 15:46
Yep

Veronika Becher 15:47
so I think we should normalize if someone doesn't have such a long list, but I do have also long list of things, yeah. So I don't know we're just both crazy, I guess. But then if we're talking about dancing, I have two last questions left. And one is, do you think, especially for people in the dancing field-

Loridana Foksha 16:04
also, by the way, like, I'm not professionally taught at all, I am self taught, and I'm not saying that, like, I'm a great dancer. I'm -

Veronika Becher 16:17
She's a fantastic dancer. You should see her in a side.

Loridana Foksha 16:20
I'm a free styler. I'm not like, I'm okay. I'm getting better with choreography. I need to take more dance classes, obviously, but I started really dancing in college.

Veronika Becher 16:30
Just get her, like, a good song, an apartment called Veronica's apartment, and she's just gonna dance. Oh my gosh. So basically, do you think in your 20s, since we're talking about one little part of 20s, and you can talk about four hours about this topic, do you think there's an age for dancers?

Loridana Foksha 16:53
No.

Veronika Becher 16:55
Okay, no, um, you know how people say in ballet, like, You're too young. Like, if you don't start your career a certain time.

Loridana Foksha 17:01
I usually think they say that because, I mean, as you grow old, your joints are like becoming stiff and you can't move as well. But I think if you, like, continue to push your body to the limits and like, a very healthy way, I think you can never stop dancing, and even if it's like a little jig, even if it's like something small that you can do, I don't think that dancing should be limited to age, per se.

Veronika Becher 17:29
It reminds me of my mom. Actually, when I was younger, I would not go- this is strange, but I would go to parties with my mom, and people assume that she was my sister and well, because my mom looked really young during that time, and we still have 20 years, like no 30. We have 30-

Loridana Foksha 17:48
What's your mom's name?

Veronika Becher 17:48
We have 30 years- Yulia.

Loridana Foksha 17:50
Shout out to Yulia.

Veronika Becher 17:51
Shout out to Yulia. She was dancing and my mom still dances to this point. And I know that my grandma was dancing to the moment like before she died, unfortunately,

Loridana Foksha 18:04
RIP grandma.

Veronika Becher 18:05
Yeah, but yeah, and then yeah, I feel like dancing is just shouldn't be limited to an age. So stop stressing yourself out that if you're in your 20s, not a professional dancer, that you can't start dancing, yes

Loridana Foksha 18:17
or start dancing.

Veronika Becher 18:18
You just find a different industry. And if there isn't an industry, I cannot speak- industry, then find and create your own in that something.

Loridana Foksha 18:27
And if you have nowhere to dance in your room alone, that's what I did.

Veronika Becher 18:30
Yeah.

Loridana Foksha 18:31
and that's how, I think why I became so good at free styling. I danced alone in my room most of the time with my lights off, because my mom couldn't know that I wasn't sleeping. It would be 12, at midnight, and I'd be

Veronika Becher 18:41
the same thing.

Loridana Foksha 18:44
Just earbuds in my ears, and I'd just be dancing. But, like, I'd also have to take another shower right after because I'm like, sweating and, like, I can't go to bed anymore with all this sweat, and I'd just be like, for hours dancing when I was younger.

Veronika Becher 18:59
Last question for your 20s, my 20s, do you believe in destiny? Like, do you believe that if you don't take the right steps now, you eventually still will end up where you need to end up? Or is it something like, You should actually use your 20s to figure it out? Enjoy, of course, the freedom of being independent and also like, the unknown, you know, but also, like, do you think we are the ones controlling it or something else that will control it for us?

Loridana Foksha 19:28
I always say it's a mix of both. I think everyone is set out to do something specific, like everyone is set out to I think meet maybe one person or like do do something in their life, whatever it's a skill or like an experience, but I wouldn't say your destiny is set in stone. I come from a religious background. I'm a Christian, and in my religion, we have free will, and we can choose a lot of things that we want to do with our future, and which is another part of my identity is that I'm, yeah, I'm religious so but we have free will, and I can choose what I want to do in my life. But there's certain moments, I think, in my life, my past and in my future, where I was like meant to do something which was either part of my personality or something that was instilled in me, or something that I was meant to learn growing up.

Veronika Becher 20:45
Do you believe that your ancestors are, like, guiding you somewhere? I know it's not something you see in, like churches, but I was like, reading it up, and I'm like, oh, that's like an interesting thought process of like, because in Russian, Orthodox people believe in like, you have your little angel that, like, looks over you and takes care of you and kind of like guides you into- through life. And something I know that. I think it's way specific to Russian Orthodox, but-

Loridana Foksha 21:12
Yeah, I mean, I didn't grow up Russian Orthodox.

Veronika Becher 21:15
Yeah, and I did, and so that just a big difference. Just, yeah, I wouldn't say there's a destiny, but I feel like there might be a destiny, like an end point of life, but there are million different options of getting there and maybe like to stimulate your thought process that has nothing to do right now with your 20s and identity.

Loridana Foksha 21:37
Yeah.

Veronika Becher 21:37
but you know these moments when you have a deja vu moment? I've been asking this question so many times with people, and I'm like, you know when you believe in destiny, and how do you find yourself as a person in your 20s? And you're like, oh, did they experience this before? And I was thinking of like, just imagine there was a multiverse in a different multiverse universe, multi-universe. You just have these deja vu moments because they align, like if you don't really have a destiny, but you have somewhere in a different lifetime that is going parallel to your current one. It doesn't-

Loridana Foksha 22:17
you've made all these different choices. You made the opposite ones, but at some point you end up at the same spot. You can diverge from that spot, yeah.

Veronika Becher 22:27
and this is why deja vu moments happen. It's kind of-

Loridana Foksha 22:29
this is an interesting concept, and I'm here for it. I like that a lot.

Veronika Becher 22:33
Think of like, you know how I name my podcast identity library, but I feel like I love this book called Midnight library.

Loridana Foksha 22:39
Yes, you introduced me to.

Veronika Becher 22:41
Yes, just like to not spoil for people that want to read it. It's a wonderful book. I didn't like it first, but I liked it in the end.

Loridana Foksha 22:49
I think I read in like two days.

Veronika Becher 22:52
Yes, she read it in one day. This is what you know, final, final.

Loridana Foksha 22:55
She gave me that book. Yeah, for Christmas?

Veronika Becher 22:58
Yeah. No doing fine. Finals, and it's just like you were reading-

Loridana Foksha 23:02
No I read it during Christmas.

Veronika Becher 23:04
You were reading it while taking exams.

Loridana Foksha 23:07
Yeah, because I had an exam, like, the next day, and I was like, procrasting. And I was like, let me read this book

Veronika Becher 23:12
In- yeah, basically the, like, the main character, she dreams of so many different options she would have and so many different outcomes.

Loridana Foksha 23:22
She regrets so many choices in her life. Like, why didn't she do this? Why didn't she pursue that?

Veronika Becher 23:27
And I was thinking of, it's a really spiritual opinion, and it really like something you see, like in really spiritual, like, less religious, but more spiritual mindsets, that if you have these, like, multi universes, and there's so many of them, that similar to this book, where she wants to be a swimmer and an Olympic big swimmer, she wants to be-

Loridana Foksha 23:51
A pop star.

Veronika Becher 23:52
pop star.

Loridana Foksha 23:53
rock star, yeah.

Veronika Becher 23:53
She wants to be going to, like the with National Geographic, To be like a researcher in or a professor. Yes, there's so many lines. And kind of going back to the 20s, I think it's the same in your 20s, specifically, you have so many versions of yourself that are existing.

Loridana Foksha 24:13
Because you have so many choices. You've just entered a new stage of your life where you're not, I guess, under your parents anymore, and you just and now you have to make these choices for the rest of your life, because so much more to go.

Veronika Becher 24:25
But if you have these deja vu moments where things connect in one second, what is if you can technically tap into one of the other multi universes?

Loridana Foksha 24:34
Whoa.

Veronika Becher 24:35
What is if the current-

Loridana Foksha 24:36
getting into like-

Veronika Becher 24:37
Yes

Loridana Foksha 24:38
theories now, oh my god.

Veronika Becher 24:39
Can you imagine you're like running this one line, and the moment you have a deja vu moment you can switch, technically, to a different multi universe, and the moment you can, of course, is not gonna happen in one day, but that's where you're like planning in your goal setting. Like, look a shot of some x goes into place, comes into place, where you think about a goal that you really. You want to achieve, and realize that your 20s are so, yes, I know you're fine.

Loridana Foksha 25:06
I'm loving this

Veronika Becher 25:07
um, and you switch, but you work towards this other goal. And that means there are so many versions of you, so many aspects of you that can come out at any time of the you know, in your lifetime, that specifically your 20s, because they're so unset in stone, you can switch later on and actually become someone else, maybe not, you know, you can just become someone who's already, you know, a little bit more realistic speaking, you can't just randomly be like an Olympic swimmer, completely different person in a year.

Loridana Foksha 25:39
And it could also be small choices.

Veronika Becher 25:41
Yes, but small choices, yeah. So realizing that you can actually control your life, and sometimes, if you sacrifice something for once, that doesn't mean that you are sacrificing it for a whole 10 years. Think about, is it something short term, or is it something long term? If it's long term, but it leads you to a certain goal that is important. Well, do it, but if you realize it's something that you will suffer for the next 20 years and it's not a worth it, why are you continuing doing that?

Loridana Foksha 26:09
I think also based off of these choices. You give yourself more or less, quote, unquote, what you've been saying multi dimensions you've been you give yourself more or less dimensions based off of the choices that you make. And I think as you go through them in life, they dwindle, dwindle down until you die, basically, and you just have, like, your entire life, and that, like, just becomes that set life that you've lived.

Veronika Becher 26:36
This reminds me so much of people that are, like, 90 years old, yeah, and go to college.

Loridana Foksha 26:42
Yeah.

Veronika Becher 26:43
Return to college, or they, like they had their whole career, and then they stop abruptly and go to China to study language. I think it just shows you that it's your own life, your own choice, your own like, to find yourself as a process, but maybe there isn't one identity in this, again, really philosophical. You just pop into this thought. Love it. Maybe me, maybe you're not really one identity as a person, the thing that we imagine to be, but we're so such an onion with such an onion, that there's so many layers to us, that our identity is has so many multi universes connecting in one person, that if we really wanted to and we put yourself to like having a better lifestyle, working out, doing something else, finishing a new art piece, you can actually do it if you get into the right mindset and attract the right things.

Loridana Foksha 27:40
I also think what's important to realize in this state of moment is you're constantly going to be changing, but you yourself at this moment in time are already so many different layers of person, and I think you can always try to find yourself. And this is also what I think I've been meaning to tell you personally, Veronica, is that this entire summer, I've just been very direct with you and like you specifically, like,

Veronika Becher 28:07
specifically, like, all my directness, my German directness,

Loridana Foksha 28:10
is, like, is rubbing off of me. Yeah, totally, is that. And this can also apply for anyone, like, who's trying to find themselves. And I've also spent a lot of- a big portion of my life trying to find myself and who I was, and I would consistently analyze my personality and who I wanted to be. And of course, you can have that like set goal of who you want to be, but I think it's also very important in this moment in time to accept yourself and to not only you don't need to find yourself, but be okay with who you are right now and know that like okay changes are gonna come and changes are gonna grow, but in this moment, I can accept myself and who I am, and I can just be okay With the choices that I've made and where I am right now in my life. I think that's important to realize.

Veronika Becher 29:07
I think you just mic dropped, I think that was a good, good ending for like, one many-

Loridana Foksha 29:14
Love yourself, be who you are.

Veronika Becher 29:17
It's more difficult than-

Loridana Foksha 29:18
Oh, it is oh yeah.

Veronika Becher 29:19
Like people say love yourself, let go of something, and you're like, how do I let go of something? Because that's not how it works. It's just not. You can't just randomly erase a chapter in your life, or erase, a trait that you have and something you would just carry with you. But I feel like realizing that we all are in the same boat, and there's so many 1000, millions of people going through the same things as you are makes you feel maybe more empowered, and maybe think about this way. Maybe in a different multi universe. You know, in a different universe there's a different you that has a harder life or an easier life, but in the end of the day, you all end up in the same spot in life. Yeah.

Loridana Foksha 29:59
That's a beautiful int- End Note.

Veronika Becher 30:02
Thank you so much for listening to this episode, and I hope you have something to think about, you know. And if you have any random thoughts and you know, feel free to contact me at any time. Thank you, Lor for being here.

Loridana Foksha 30:15
Thank you for having me. It was my pleasure.

Veronika Becher 30:18
Bye.

Loridana Foksha 30:19
Bye.

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